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#314528 - 2009-12-28 09:50:40 Re: The Shack [Re: Steve Billiter]
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Excellent posts Steve. There are way too many good books filled with precious truth, that I haven't read yet, for me to waste my time reading any kind of fiction. That would be like throwing my spiritual car in reverse, and going backwards for a while. It just wouldn't make sense.

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#314537 - 2009-12-28 11:51:12 Re: The Shack [Re: RLH]
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Originally Posted By: Richard Holbrook
Excellent posts Steve. There are way too many good books filled with precious truth, that I haven't read yet, for me to waste my time reading any kind of fiction. That would be like throwing my spiritual car in reverse, and going backwards for a while. It just wouldn't make sense.


I agree. I guess a lot of it depends on how serious we are in seeking the Lord. If we are, for me it is studying the Word of God with EGW supplements at the same time. We should acquire a good solid Biblical foundation that shows us the path to heaven and reveals the pitfalls and snares of the enemy along the way.

Its very instructive to me that Satan has been hot on my track as far back as I can remember. I don't care to share his fate.

There is a flood of books out there in Adventist land, like never before. To me, these appear the most dangerous to us. As we discussed before, More than a Prophet by G. Bradford is a perfect example of something so close to the truth that most Adventists will be led astray.

I also see adaptations, paraphrases, and other re-writes of Ellen White books beginning to appear; and I have a Steps to Jesus(Steps to Christ) at my house and it seems doctrinally sound, but the original beauty of the prose has been lost. I have not read the paraphrases yet, but this is where truth may depart. It will happen if it has not yet.
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#314543 - 2009-12-28 12:13:36 Re: The Shack [Re: Steve Billiter]
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I doubt that many would approve of all the books EGW had in a library, and I suspect she would have read the Shack.
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#314548 - 2009-12-28 12:30:49 Re: The Shack [Re: Stan]
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I think she would have read it, too.
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#314551 - 2009-12-28 12:46:06 Re: The Shack [Re: rudywoofs]
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:), you speak english?

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#314554 - 2009-12-28 12:57:43 Re: The Shack [Re: Stan]
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#314556 - 2009-12-28 13:12:06 Re: The Shack [Re: Stan]
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Originally Posted By: Stan Jensen
I doubt that many would approve of all the books EGW had in a library, and I suspect she would have read the Shack.


I think she would have said the same thing she said about the Book, The Living Temple by Dr. Kellogg, that also contained pantheism.


The new theories in regard to God and Christ, as brought out in "The Living Temple", are not in harmony with the teaching of Christ. The Lord Jesus came to this world to represent the Father. He did not represent God as an essence pervading nature, but as a personal being. Christians should bear in mind that God has a personality as verily as has Christ. {SpM 324.2}


It is not safe to trust in Dr. Kellogg. I dare not do it. I have not written to him much, recently, but I may have to send something soon. I have not the least confidence in his present attitude toward many things. I learn that notwithstanding all I have written regarding "The Living Temple" a book that was written under the inspiration of the arch-deceiver;
notwithstanding with many plain messages that I have delivered in the "Review and Herald" and in letters to our brethren in responsibility, Dr. Kellogg now admits only a few of the mistakes he has made, and still supposes that in former years I taught the same errors. This reveals a blindness beyond conception. All that I can now do is to watch developments closely. I can not see that it would do the least particle of good to say more than I have said. {BCL 103.1}

I have some things to say to our teachers in reference to the new book, "The Living Temple." Be careful how you sustain the sentiments of this book regarding the personality of God. As the Lord represents matters to me, these sentiments do not bear the indorsement of God. They are a snare that the enemy has prepared for these last days. I thought that this would surely be discerned, and that it would not be necessary for me to say anything about it. But since the claim has been made that the teachings of this book can be sustained by statements from my writings, I am compelled to speak in denial of this claim. There may be in this book expressions and sentiments that are in harmony with my writings. And there may be in my writings many statements which, when taken from their connection, and interpreted according to the mind of the writer of "The Living Temple," would seem to be in harmony with the teachings of this book. This may give apparent support to the assertion that the sentiments in "The Living Temple" are in harmony with my writings. But God forbid that this opinion should prevail. {RH, October 22, 1903 par. 1}

We need not the mysticism that is in this book. Those who entertain these sophistries will soon find themselves in a position where the enemy can talk with them, and lead them away from God. It is represented to me that the writer of this book is on a false track. He has lost sight of the distinguishing truths for this time. He knows not whither his steps are tending. The track of truth lies close beside the track of error, and both tracks may seem to be one to minds which are not worked by the Holy Spirit, and which, therefore, are not quick to discern the difference between truth and error. {RH, October 22, 1903 par. 2}

In regard to the faith to be cherished and preserved in these last days, very little light is given in "The Living Temple," and this light is so uncertain that it would not help God's people at this stage of their work. {RH, October 22, 1903 par. 3}


Fables Similar to Heresies in the Early Days of the Message Present in "The Living Temple"--The difficulties that have arisen have been very hard to meet, and they are far from being settled yet. One, and another, and still another are presented to me as having been led to accept the pleasing fables that mean the sanctification of sin. The Living Temple contains the alpha of a train of heresies. These heresies are similar to those that I met in my first labors in connection with the cause in Maine, New Hampshire, Vermont, then in Boston, Roxbury, Portsmouth, New Bedford, and other parts of Massachusetts. Through them the evil one worked upon the minds of men and women. . . .


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#314558 - 2009-12-28 13:24:10 Re: The Shack [Re: rudywoofs]
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Originally Posted By: rudywoofs
I think she would have read it, too.


To Editors of Our Periodicals.--I am warned that the less our ministers handle the subject of pantheism, the less they will help Satan to present his theories to the people. Let the truth for this time be kept before them. Never, never repeat the spiritualistic sentiments, the strange, misleading theories, which have for years been coming in. {CW 93.1}

The warnings of the word of God regarding the perils surrounding the Christian church belong to us today. As in the days of the apostles men tried by tradition and philosophy to destroy faith in the Scriptures, so today, by the pleasing sentiments of higher criticism, evolution, spiritualism, theosophy, and pantheism, the enemy of righteousness is seeking to lead souls into forbidden paths.


To many the Bible is as a lamp without oil, because they have turned their minds into channels of speculative belief that bring misunderstanding and confusion. The work of higher criticism, in dissecting, conjecturing, reconstructing, is destroying faith in the Bible as a divine revelation. It is robbing God's word of power to control, uplift, and inspire human lives. By spiritualism, multitudes are taught to believe that desire is the highest law, that license is liberty, and that man is accountable only to himself. {AA 474.1}
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#314561 - 2009-12-28 13:33:28 Re: The Shack [Re: rudywoofs]
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Originally Posted By: rudywoofs
I think she would have read it, too.


I cannot in my wildest imaginations ever believe EGW would read the Shack for her spiritual enlightenment.She would have ceased to be the Lord's prophet very quickly.

"Those who love me come from every system that exists. They were Buddhists or Mormons, Baptists or Muslims.... I have no desire to make them Christian, but I do want to join them in their transformation into sons and daughters of my Papa, into my brothers and sisters.”
-----The Shack's "Jesus." [1,p.182]


it certainly follows that those who reject Christianity will fail of obtaining eternal life.

This one statement is opposed to everything the Bible and Ellen White has ever written about salvation!


Edited by Steve Billiter (2009-12-28 13:35:31)
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#314640 - 2009-12-28 17:19:04 Re: The Shack [Re: Steve Billiter]
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Yes. I think The Shack is a good book and that both Ellen White and Jesus would have read it. Good stuff.
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