Is there a place where we can post a book on this forum? Thanks.

This the place were you can share your thoughts about a new book you're reading, either positive or negative.

Is it permitted for me to bring attention to the fact that my book, Genuine New Light from Revelation and Daniel, has just been published by Teach Services, Inc.? Link for their website is: www.teachservices.com
Link for my book on their website is:
http://www.teachservices.com/scripts/details.php?stock=945-6438

The book contains conclusions of my studies into these prophecies that began over 30 years ago, when the Lord gave me a conviction that if I would go strictly by Biblical principles of interpretation, allowing the Bible to be its own Expositor, providing the definitions for all its own symbols--letting the chips fall where they may--He would guide me to a right understanding. I have always been conscious of the Lord being closest to me while I am writing to expound Bible texts, as He calls to my mind other Bible texts that bear on what I am writing about. As a result of my study, my confidence in the remnant church was reaffirned, and likewise my confidence in the prophetic ministry of Ellen G. White, even though my studies led me to a very different understanding of some things than have been the traditional majority views.

Especially note that the Lord told Daniel that when the prophecies in chapter twelve are understood, the time of the end will have come (Dan. 12:9). This makes it especially significant if the exposition of these prophecies I give in my book is correct.

Here are some statements by Ellen G. White about the fact that new light is yet to come from Revelation and Daniel:

"The book of Revelation opens with an injunction to us to understand the instruction that it contains….When we as a people understand what this book means to us, then there will be seen among us a great revival. We do not understand fully the lessons that it teaches…." (Testimonies to Ministers and Gospel Workers, p. 113; emphasis supplied.)

"God has chosen a people who are to proclaim the third angel's message to the world. They are to be a separate and peculiar people in this world of churches who are transgressing His commandments. We have a special work to do to prepare the people for the greatest event the world has ever seen. The books of Daniel and Revelation are of great consequence to us, and should be studied with great earnestness." (Sabbath Review and Advent Herald, June 21, 1898, p. 38; emphasis supplied.

"Great truths that have lain unheeded and unseen since the day of Pentecost, are to shine from God's word in their native purity. To those who truly love God the Holy Spirit will reveal truths that have faded from the mind, and will also reveal truths that are entirely new. Those who eat the flesh and drink the blood of the Son of God will bring from the books of Daniel and Revelation truth that is inspired by the Holy Spirit. They will start into action forces that cannot be repressed." (Sabbath Review and Advent Herald, August 17, 1897, p. 19; emphasis supplied.)

I have gotten very good feedback so far from people who have read my book.

Ronald R. Lambert

Looks interesting Ron, in our SS class we're reading William Shea's book "Daniel". Its been very informative. Maybe when I'm done I check out your book. Will it be available at the ABCs or in a Christian book store?

pk

Congratulations on getting your book published, Ron, and please do share about it here. Let us know where it can be purchased!

Here is a picture of the cover:

I've ordered one. Perhaps when I'm done with that we could have a discussion on thoughts on Revelation :)

Thanks, pkrause, Jerry, for asking. My book is available from Amazon.com. Just search on the name of the book. They are charging the same price that Teach Services does.

My book can also be purchased online directly from Teach Services, Inc. Link to the writeup on my book is:
http://www.teachservices.com/scripts/details.php?stock=945-6438

Their home website address is: www.teachservices.com
You can download their complete catalog.

Or you can write to them at:

Teach Services, Inc.
254 Donovan Rd.
Brushton, NY 12916

You can also call them at: 518-358-3494

My book may become available through local ABCs--Teach usually sends advertising flyers to ABCs and to non-denominational book and Bible houses, and sometimes local ABCs pick up the books. But it may take a few months.

Teach Services, Inc. publishes many SDA books. Pacific Press and the Review Publishing only publish one or two titles per month, so many SDA writers have been turning to publishers like Teach Services. They are what you might call a semi-vanity press. The writer pays to have his book published, but Teach Services subsidizes half the cost, if their publishing committee approves of it, as they did with my book manuscript. I found them easy to work with. They gave me a choice of cover art and title layout, and sent me galley proofs for me to edit with a red marker and return, then again sent me the final proofs for me to edit again, if needed.

My estimation is that the book looks nice, is well done as a standard "perfect-binding" paperback, 153 pages, with easily readable type. It is an ideal size--it fits in a 6" x 9" clasp envelope for mailing. I am pleased with Teach Services's work.


Ron Lambert

Whoa--do you mean that there is NEW truth to be found in this book? If so, bring it on--as long as it agrees with the words of Jesus given to us by His eyewitnesses as found in John 14:26!

As for NEW truth, check out "THE SPIRIT OF THE CHURCH"

I read that the new book talks about the last of the seven churches found in Revelation, but what of the others? How about the fourth church found in Rev. 2:18-28? And just who do you think it is that is called Jezebel if not EGW? Last week's (2-7-09) Sabbath School study recorded from Calimesa California SDA (www.blogtalkradio.com/spiritoftruth is the most important bible study you will ever find on this earth--for SDAs that is. This weeks might just be better! Check it out and see.

Dr. Rich, Ellen G. White is not Jezebel. I do not even know who would say such a thing. Jezebel is the same as the woman who rides the beast in Revelation 17. What the letter to Thyatira says about Jezebel foretells the test that will come to the faithful still in the Roman Catholic Church, as the Papal hierarchy--which is really a pagan intrusion into the church--assumes political control over the nations of Europe. The text also states that all the churches will learn a lesson from this experience of the Thyatiran church. So if the letter to Ephesus represented the church hundreds of years before the Thyatiran church was to come on the scene--as has been commonly assumed--how could Ephesus learn such a lesson from an experience that was hundreds of years in the future?

If you are talking about my book, I only touched briefly on the seven churches. Though once you accept that Revelation chapters 4 and 5 portray the Judgment, the same as foretold in Daniel 7, then it is logical to conclude that the seven churches must apply primarily to the complete scope of Christendom just as the churches are about to enter the Judgment of the Living. I mention in my book some arguments for this from the text. (Such as what is stated in Revelation 3:10.) This would make perfect sense of Rev. 4:1, because the next thing after preparing for the Judgment is the Judgment.

Dr. Edwin Reynolds, editor of the Journal of the Adventist Theological Society, said to me in an email on June 25, 2008: "Furthermore, no serious SDA scholarship within the past 30 years at least would see a judgment scene in Rev 4-5."

Apparently he was unaware of the fact that Dr. Frank W. Hardy, and Dr. Alberto R. Treiyer (head of the Biblical Research Institute), both are in print with the position that Rev. 4-5 DOES portray "a judgment scene." In fact, Dr. Treiyer sets this forth in his book titled: The Final Crisis in Revelation 4-5, copyrighted in 1998.

The traditional, majority viewpoint has long been that Rev. 4-5 portrays the Inauguration of Christ shortly after His Ascension. But the view that it portrays the Judgment has just as long been a minority viewpoint among SDA Bible students and scholars. I hope that my book, by presenting the really strong arguments for the minority viewpoint and against the majority viewpoint, will help this minority viewpoint to become the new majority viewpoint among us, as it truly deserves to be, as a matter of sound scholarship.

This sort of thing has happened before, with the identity of the King of the North in Daniel 11:40-45. The long-time majority view, popularized by Uriah Smith, was that it represented Turkey. But James White maintained that it represented the Papacy. In recent decades, Smith's interpretation has been falling into disfavor, and more and more SDA Bible students and scholars are coming around to the James White view (which basically I agree with as well, and expand upon in my book). This is probably the majority view, now.

If you note from the Ellen G. White quotes I cited in my first post in this thread, she definitely stated that new light from Daniel and Revelation is yet to come, and is going to have a profound effect upon the church. That is what I am hoping for. But in order for us to receive new light, we may have to concede that we were in error about some views we have been holding.

True Ron.

You know Ron I have heard that before, not sure where. But how anyone can come up with that makes no sense.

pk

"makes no sense"! Your opinion of course.....mel

Ron,

Revelation 4 and 5 are not the Judgment as you said in your post. EGW in the Great Controversy makes this clear:
"The holy places of the sanctuary in heaven are represented by the two apartments in the sanctuary on earth. As in vision the apostle John was granted a view of the temple of God in heaven, he beheld there 'seven lamps of fire burning before the throne.' Revelation 4:5. He saw an angel 'having a golden censer; and there was given unto him much incense, that he should offer it with the prayers of all saints upon the golden altar which was before the throne.' Revelation 8:3. Here the prophet was permitted to behold the first apartment of the sanctuary in heaven; and he saw there the 'seven lamps of fire" and "the golden altar,' represented by the golden candlestick and the altar of incense in the sanctuary on earth." GC, p. 414.
If it is in the Holy Place, it is not the Judgment.

Ron,

Another thought from Jon Paulien on the issue of Revelation 4 and 5, which I ran across recently when studying the Revelation, is very interesting:
"Most striking of all, however, is the fact that John studiously avoids the language of judgment in this throne scene. In the Greek language judgment is usually expressed by the nouns krisis and krima, and the verb krino. As the references indicate, John is quite familiar with the language of judgment but deliberately avoids using it in the first half of the book of Revelation. The seeming exception (6:10) is not a description of the judgment, but a call for the judgment to begin... the language of judgment in Revelation is reserved for descriptions of end-time events (Rev. 12-20)." DARCOM, Symposium on Revelation - Book I, p. 210.
Jon is logical here since it is obvious that the main discussion of judgment takes place when "the temple of God was opened in heaven, and there was seen in his temple the ark of his testament." Revelation 11:19. The work of judgment takes place when the Most Holy place is opened.

Ron,

If there are others who have taught that Revelation 4 and 5 are talking about the judgment, then what is the genuine new light to which you refer? What about Daniel 12, what is new light there? I wonder if you have decided like so many writers, which I have seen over the past dozen years of so, who have decided to interpret the time periods in Daniel 12 as literal days instead of years?
I am not really interested in the futurist agenda or any type of time setting. What can you tell me that would make me want to purchase your work?

Hmm. Wonder what Jon is up to here?


og

Paulien is a great theologian , author, teacher and speaker. I think we can learn much from his perspectives. A true man of God. God has richly blessed him. He is SO valuable to the church.

I agree that Jon Paulien is a very good theologian, and he is clearly logical. He has examined the Greek here and makes a lot of sense. The book of Revelation is based around the tent of the tabernacle of the Jewish sanctuary. The first three major sections of the book are events that happen on earth while our high priest is ministering in the Holy place in heaven. They each have seven sequencial divisions: seven churches, seven seals, and seven trumpets. They all cover the same period of time, from the time Jesus ascended to heaven until He finishes His work there.
The last major section of the book begins, "And the temple of God was opened in heaven, and there was seen in his temple the ark of his testament..." Revelation 11:19. This section of the Revelation does not have seven sequencial divisions like the others. It has many smaller simultaneous sections which focus mainly upon the time of the judgment after 1844; the last period of earth's history. The door to the Most Holy place in heaven was not open to the view of John before Revelation 11:19. Hence Revelation 4 and 5 cannot be a discription of the judgment.

Yes Redwood, Jon Paulien is a great guy. I went to High School with him. So I know him well. Also I read his devotional book last year about revelation, it was really good, enjoyed it alot.

pk