I guess when we read it we'll find out. :)

pk

@pkrause


You like to keep us in suspense eh? :)

No, I ordered it via the link that Ron sent me a couple weeks ago.

I have been working thru the first chapter although it has been sitting here for most of the week. (Sick family member.)

While it has been slow going...I don't want to rush thru and miss something important.

bump

Bump? she asked curiously.

BTW Still haven't found what Ron is referring to. Guess that means back to the beginning. Oh, perhaps it might be something that already passed along the pathways of thought so it is not "NEW" to me.

Ron, how about doing a study guide?

The book is not that long--only 158 pages.

Since I gave all my arguments supporting my positions in the book, if I just state a bare outline of the new interpretations, people would respond only to that, and I would have to repeat all the arguments already given in the book.

Maybe I shouldn't, but I will go this far:

My application of Rev. 4-5 to the Judgment has long been a minority view in Adventism, but it deserves to become the majority view, since it is so clearly warranted, and the previous majority view, that it applies to the Inaguration of Christ at Pentecost just after His Ascension, is flat out contradicted by Rev. 4:1, and the fact that Revelation was written some 60 years after Christ's Ascension.

My application of the seals is entirely new; I don't know of anyone else who has taken the logical implication of the book with the seals being opened in the Judgment as far as I have. Or shown how the prophecies fit history.

My application of the seven trumpets to the final conflict is not necessarily the first time this has been done among SDAs, but I believe I have made the best sense with it, interpreting every symbol according to Biblical definitions. I think my argument based on the vignette of the angel with the censer coming after the angels were given their trumpets but before they sounded, that it indicates the prophecies take place throughout the final conflict, not all after the close of probation (as if they were parallel to the seven last plagues, as some have suggested), or begin before the final phase of Christ's ministry begins, is a good one, that no one else seems to have noticed before.

My application of Daniel 11:40-45 to the time of the end (like the text explicitly says!) is not unique with me, though I give more Biblically consistent detail. James White had essentially the same view of the King of the North. That view is becoming (if it has not already become) the majority view among SDA scholars and theologians. The old majority view (popularized by Uriah Smith) that it represented Turkey or some such thing is becoming pretty hard to maintain. Robert Brinsmead gave essentially the same view I do of the Kings of the North and South, in his 1970 book, The Vision By the Hiddekel, and his application of the events in the succeeding verses is generally close to my own. But he did not give explanations that were as compelling and clear of each symbol as I believe I did. At least, I provide more detail, explaining each symbol. Unfortunately, when he got to chapter 12, he just followed the traditional view.

A few others besides me have made end-time application of Daniel 12, and made a stab at interpreting the time prophecies in that light. I have to say that I believe I have succeeded in making completely consistent sense of the whole thing. It is really not that hard, once you resolve to go strictly by what the text actually says, and not try to bend it to make it fit traditional views. The text does say four times explicitly from Dan. 11:40 to 12:13, that it applies to the "time of the end." And implies it several more times.

Maybe I have already done what I said I didn't want to do, and given people material to argue about without reading my book. But my arguments supporting my views, and my answers to the arguments people might raise against them, are already in my book.

Got my book today!

Thanks, Ron.

While tidying up yesterday, I unearthed the book. Now when I read it again, I will be looking for your points more carefully.

Have a blessed AND

On the contrary, I want to read this book. The view on Pentecost is very different and I want to see your biblical evidence. I like books that challenge our thinking. Can our view stand up to the bible? I have seen very few challenges by our own people recently.

I don't think I said anything different about Pentecost. I just said that Revelation 4-5 does not depict the Inauguration of Christ when the Former Rain Outpouring of the Holy Spirit came on Pentecost, shortly after His Ascension. Revelation 4:1 says "After this..." and "...I will shew thee things which must be hereafter." Since this was written some 60 years after the Ascension of Christ, after the Pentecostal outpouring of the Holy Spirit in Acts 2, it is completely impossible for the prophecies that follow in Rev. 4-5 to have anything to do with the Inauguration of Christ at Pentecost.

As I prove in my book by a number of clear and straightforward evidences, Rev. 4-5 depicts the pre-Advent Investigative Judgment. There are numerous statements that are clearly judicial in nature: ("Who is worthy?"; "no man was found worthy"; "the Lion of the tribe of Juda, the Root of David, hath prevailed to open the book,"; etc.). And unique phrasing is only found in Rev. 5:11 and Dan. 7:10). Plus there are numerous other textual parallels.