HEY DR. RICH AND OLDSALOIR29

IF you are applying the the giants were angel

and the these were control by the devil

that would make them bad and yet the daughters
were of men meaning control by the devil

because the SONS OF GOD have to be of GOD AND JESUS

so I am not sure were you are going with this


dgrimm60

I'm not sure what you are saying here dgrimm60, but I will try to explain my point.


I'm not sure what you mean. Dr. Rich and I are clearly not on the same page here. However, I don't think either one of us said that the giants were angels. That is clearly a misunderstanding. "Sons of God" refers to divine beings, which means direct creations of God.

A question was brought up about the post flood DNA at the time of the tower, and someone said it was all from Noah's family. I merely pointed out that the Sons of God, i.e. fallen angels who raped and impregnated women before the flood, were still around to add their DNA to the mix before they were building the tower of Babel.

Then carolaa said she didn't believe that was true.

Then I said the book of Enoch chs. 6 & 7 says they were the fallen angels. And Dr. Rich said something about Sumerian text, with which I am not familiar. Maybe that is where the book of Enoch came from, I don't know.

What happens sometimes in the Bible is, some things are just a little too rough for the sensitivities of people, so the editors would substitute less offensive words or in this case a less offensive interpretation. One well known substitution is the word "feet," in place of a word for genitals, like in a description of angels with 3 pairs of wings, one pair of which covered their "feet."

Most people would probably say that the sons of God were righteous men, and daughters of men were unrighteous women. This would seem to make sense, except the text says the "sons of God" took the ones they wanted, without regard for what the women wanted. It just seems to me that righteous men wouldn't force the women against their will. And it just makes more sense, that the "sons of God" spoken of there were fallen angels.

This fits so well when I remember the context. It was not a peaceful time on earth. People were committing all kinds of sins. Some things they did were so evil that even some descendants of Cain refused to participate.

Anyway dgrimm60, I'm not sure exactly what you are trying to say, but I hope this clears up any misunderstanding of my post for you.

Edited by Tom Wetmore (40 minutes 14 seconds ago)
Edit Reason: quote box removed - see the one rule that rings them all here in Middle Earth Forum

AHA!!!!

So that's what happened to my quote boxes. Now I am wondering what in the world I did wrong here. Can somebody help me out here?

HEY OLD SALIOR29


WHEN you said that the sons of GOD took the women
with out regard IN GEN chap 6 ver 2 it says they(meaning
the sons of GOD) took wife's for themselves of all whom
the chose it sounds like they chose many wife's

then in GEN Chap 6 ver 4 yes it does say that
in those days and afterward but like I told CAROLAA
that Goliath had 4 brothers and they were all
the same size and Goliath was 9 feet tall

also when the spies check out the land of ISRAEL
10 said there were giants in the land

now I HAVE not read the book of Enoch so I don't
what it is talking about but I DO NOT see how these
verse can be talking about the devil angels


dgrimm60

I guess we're not allowed to use quote boxes, or quotes of any kinds, in this forum.

What is the basis for believing that Enoch wrote this book?

I was at what we think was Noah's wife's grave a few years ago.
It was for a person about nine feet tall.

So are you saying Noah's wife was one of the Nephilim, or that she was descended from them?

No worries about the enforcement of the one rule of this forum. ( It is at the top of the menu.) Take some time and read through the locked topic at the top of the topic menu for the Original Thoughts Forum. That will give you the reasons behind this forum. The idea is to think and express only ones own ideas in our own words.

Tom

oldsailor29... I want to thank you for your... interesting... point of view on the "Sons of God" and "Daughters of Men". I am wonder is: why are you in this forum?? Adventist do not acknowledge the book of Enoch as a valid book of the Bible. Shoot.. Most Protestants don't either.