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#328480 - 2010-01-29 19:15:08 Re: A Tribute to our Military [Re: Avinoam]
bonnie Offline


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Originally Posted By: Avinoam
That's just standard history. Bombing of Serbia, an orthodox Christian country, in 1999. And then basically standing by as Albanian thugs burned down churches and blew up Christian monasteries, built almost a thousand years ago. All in the name of democracy, I guess. Who knows, maybe they even said a prayer to Jesus Christ, as in that video, before they dropped bombs on hospitals, TV stations, schools, and other civilan objects, killing women and children.


Thanks for the reminder. Was there a little more to this than the americans just deciding one morning to bomb Serbia. Can you provide something that gives an indication the americans mapped out the location of hospitals,schools women and children and then proceeded to bomb them?
A little history on the Serbs might be nice as I recollect. Have to check back to make sure tho
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#328483 - 2010-01-29 19:24:15 Re: A Tribute to our Military [Re: bonnie]
Avinoam Offline
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Registered: 2010-01-29
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Loc: UK
Originally Posted By: bonnie
Originally Posted By: Avinoam
That's just standard history. Bombing of Serbia, an orthodox Christian country, in 1999. And then basically standing by as Albanian thugs burned down churches and blew up Christian monasteries, built almost a thousand years ago. All in the name of democracy, I guess. Who knows, maybe they even said a prayer to Jesus Christ, as in that video, before they dropped bombs on hospitals, TV stations, schools, and other civilan objects, killing women and children.


Thanks for the reminder. Was there a little more to this than the americans just deciding one morning to bomb Serbia. Can you provide something that gives an indication the americans mapped out the location of hospitals,schools women and children and then proceeded to bomb them?
A little history on the Serbs might be nice as I recollect. Have to check back to make sure tho


This is going too deep into politcs. Check anything on American foregin policy after 1945 and you will find out that there is no other regime as murderous and criminal as the U.S. government. Check on the overthrow of Mossadegh or the overthrow of Qassim. Check what the Americans did in Central and South America. Or in Asia. One murderous campaign after another. All in the name of freedom.

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#328486 - 2010-01-29 19:31:25 Re: A Tribute to our Military [Re: Avinoam]
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Originally Posted By: Avinoam


This is going too deep into politcs. Check anything on American foregin policy after 1945 and you will find out that there is no other regime as murderous and criminal as the U.S. government. Check on the overthrow of Mossadegh or the overthrow of Qassim. Check what the Americans did in Central and South America. Or in Asia. One murderous campaign after another. All in the name of freedom.


You're full of poppycock. Get a laxative. And some Valium.
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#328487 - 2010-01-29 19:34:05 Re: A Tribute to our Military [Re: Avinoam]
bonnie Offline


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This is going too deep into politcs. Check anything on American foregin policy after 1945 and you will find out that there is no other regime as murderous and criminal as the U.S. government. Check on the overthrow of Mossadegh or the overthrow of Qassim. Check what the Americans did in Central and South America. Or in Asia. One murderous campaign after another. All in the name of freedom.


No,it shouldn't be to deep into politics.You were the one that with the first post started making accusations.If you did not want to discuss or condemn the US why bring this up in the manner you did.
In between posts I did check out a few sites. Not all the facts I am sure but it seems the Serbian's were not exactly pious altar boys
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#328512 - 2010-01-29 20:55:43 Re: A Tribute to our Military [Re: Avinoam]
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[quote=Avinoam
This is going too deep into politcs. Check anything on American foregin policy after 1945 and you will find out that there is no other regime as murderous and criminal as the U.S. government. Check on the overthrow of Mossadegh or the overthrow of Qassim. Check what the Americans did in Central and South America. Or in Asia. One murderous campaign after another. All in the name of freedom. [/quote]


I am just remembering some benign regimes like Pol Pot in Cambodia......

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#328602 - 2010-01-30 01:03:32 Re: A Tribute to our Military [Re: Nan]
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Although I would have to say I see nothing "nice" about all those weapons of war; I would also have to say it is pointless to single out the US military like this. Many other governments and their military are just as guilty - but then the equation changes when we start to look at all the military and government personel who are decent honest people and are really trying to make a difference.
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#328661 - 2010-01-30 09:20:32 Re: A Tribute to our Military [Re: rudywoofs]
Avinoam Offline
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Loc: UK
Originally Posted By: rudywoofs
Originally Posted By: Avinoam


This is going too deep into politcs. Check anything on American foregin policy after 1945 and you will find out that there is no other regime as murderous and criminal as the U.S. government. Check on the overthrow of Mossadegh or the overthrow of Qassim. Check what the Americans did in Central and South America. Or in Asia. One murderous campaign after another. All in the name of freedom.


You're full of poppycock. Get a laxative. And some Valium.


Thank you for your kind words.

Just to clarify something: My Adventist family had to hide in bunkers for three months in order to survive bombs dropped from U.S. planes, day and night they lived in fear and witnessed the destruction of their city by the American forces, and now there is an American Adventist on this forum posting a video which glorifies that same military machine, and I am supposed to abstain from commenting on this?

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#328663 - 2010-01-30 09:35:56 Re: A Tribute to our Military [Re: Avinoam]
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Registered: 2000-03-24
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Loc: Deltona,FL,USA
Yes and that same Adventist who's father spent 2 years in german labor camps and than 5 years in concentration camps is very thankful and greatful for those horrible americans that bombed all the cities in germany to free those Jews who were being tortured by the Nazi's. 6 million jews and many others were killed by Nazi's the American soldiers (HEROES in my book) saved europe and probably the rest of the world because no one else wanted to. I've never said that I agree with all the things the USA, its government has done is on the up and up. But this men and women that go into harms way, from any country that helps to keep the peace, they should be praised for risking there lives for all not just the USA. And if we really want to get down to it, my grandfather who was a soldier for the german army was captured by the russian's and given over to the Yugoslavinians to be held as a pow, was brutely tortured by them. My mom said that after the war he came home with broken bones, etc. He said that compared to the yugoslavains the russians were angels. Why don't we go deeper into the history if you would like?????

pk
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#328664 - 2010-01-30 09:36:58 Re: A Tribute to our Military [Re: Avinoam]
bonnie Offline


Registered: 2001-06-20
Posts: 8896
Loc: MN
Quote:

Thank you for your kind words.

Just to clarify something: My Adventist family had to hide in bunkers for three months in order to survive bombs dropped from U.S. planes, day and night they lived in fear and witnessed the destruction of their city by the American forces, and now there is an American Adventist on this forum posting a video which glorifies that same military machine, and I am supposed to abstain from commenting on this?


You make accusations and then say it is to ......going too deep into politcs. Check anything on American foregin policy after 1945 and you will find out that there is no other regime as murderous and criminal as the U.S. government. Check on the overthrow of Mossad

Buildings get blown to pieces and innocent people die in any war.
It sounds like you believe that the americans just woke up one morning and decided your country was a good place to lob a few bombs and make innocent adventists hide in bunkers.

From accounts that have been published sounds like there was a little more to it than that.

Instead of trying to include other area's of war,tell us about yours.
Why was your country under attack?
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#328672 - 2010-01-30 09:49:36 Re: A Tribute to our Military [Re: pkrause]
Avinoam Offline
Beginning to post a bit...

Registered: 2010-01-29
Posts: 19
Loc: UK
Originally Posted By: pkrause
Yes and that same Adventist who's father spent 2 years in german labor camps and than 5 years in concentration camps is very thankful and greatful for those horrible americans that bombed all the cities in germany to free those Jews who were being tortured by the Nazi's. 6 million jews and many others were killed by Nazi's the American soldiers (HEROES in my book) saved europe and probably the rest of the world because no one else wanted to. I've never said that I agree with all the things the USA, its government has done is on the up and up. But this men and women that go into harms way, from any country that helps to keep the peace, they should be praised for risking there lives for all not just the USA. And if we really want to get down to it, my grandfather who was a soldier for the german army was captured by the russian's and given over to the Yugoslavinians to be held as a pow, was brutely tortured by them. My mom said that after the war he came home with broken bones, etc. He said that compared to the yugoslavains the russians were angels. Why don't we go deeper into the history if you would like?????

pk


Well it's not true that the Americans 'saved the world because no one else wanted'. Are you not forgetting the contribution of the Russians? Or the resistance of the individual conutries which were occupied by Germany? Apart from that no one is desputing the American contribution and many in Europe are thankful.

So your grandfather fought for Hitler's Germany, for the Nazis who brought destruction over whole Europe, and considering that 1.7 million Yugoslavs died in WW2 he in fact complains about bad treatment and broken bones? Am I understanding you correctly?

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