JAMES423

THOSE were some very interesting question

I THINK a christian can have faith with out being
persecuted----Satan may have fatih but faith in what???---
and YES I think faith is esential to be a true
christian

dgrimm60

PK, Here is the thing: ANYONE, living or dead right now, that said or wrote ANYTHING different than what Jesus said and taught and given to us to read by His eyewitnesses (see John 14:26) is a problem for me. This includes Joseph Smith, Muhammad, EGW, Richard, John 317, and even the writers known and unknown who wrote letters that were placed into the New Testament by humans who had a political agenda for what they placed there, are a serious problem for me--being a real truth seeker and bond servant for Jesus Christ.

I do not see where Jesus told us that we can become saved by faith by the grace of God. Therefore, anyone, which would include Paul) that said and wrote that we are saved by grace or "righteousness by faith" is a serious problem from me. Especially when I don't see anything like this in the book of Revelation.

Found in the Old Testament, (which I believe is true since Jesus spoke from this and validated it), is a warning from God that anyone who teaches lawlessness is not of God. You can't tell me that Paul's writings have caused confusion as to whether or not the law was done away with or not. He said one thing at one time and then said the opposite at another time. Does this answer your question?

I dunno. This puts Richard and John in some interesting company.

Quick Response:
The sheer number of responses to this fruit of the Spirit implies that we either give undue emphasis to this fruit or we do not understand it. If we do not understand it, then we need remedial training on the subject since this is the fruit through which we receive the grace of God for salvation (Ephesians 2:8).

Agape`

Not so fast Wayne, you forgot a major point on this issue: How about the wrongful emphasis on "the grace of God for Salvation"? No, I know that the grace of God is great and without it no one could understand prophecy in Daniel and Revlelation. But, to simply state that everyone is saved by grace alone is clearly nonsense and destroys the whole testimony of Jesus given to us by His eyewitnesses. This type of understanding completely does away with Jesus' teaching about the importance of keeping the Ten Commandments. The one who keeps them shows his love for God.

Woody I would've loved to be in this group. :)
But imagine Dr. Rich didn't even put his name amongst them.
So I guess Dr. Rich that than we should assume that you most be a little above all those others?

pk

No, Ha ha, My name should be there too! I am not above anyone out there. I'm still an old lump of coal, but I'll be a diamond someday!

The grace of God is the power to keep the commandments. I keep the commandments by the grace of GOD.

Dr. Rich,
Did you have an issue with something I wrote? Or, did you just want to take issue with something I did not write? If There is something in my post that you have an issue with, please quote it and let's discuss that. If, on the other hand, you want to take issue with things I did not write, well... you are going to be pretty busy, since there are a lot of things I did not write.

Agape`