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#341376 - 2010-03-05 01:56:08 Oregon 2010 Campmeeting may be cancelled
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For the first time in over 100 years, Oregon might not have its annual July Campmeeting in Gladstone, OR, due to lack of funds.

A memo was passed out that indicated $250,000 in pledges would be needed by March 30, 2010, otherwise the campmeeting would be cancelled this year.

It was mentioned that virtually all conferences are having financial difficulties, and the Oregon Conference was seeing a big drop in income due to (among other things) lost jobs within its membership, reflecting a loss in tithe income. The Conference has had to cut back on jobs, dropping some positions to part time, and eliminating others completely.
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#341405 - 2010-03-05 08:38:43 Re: Oregon 2010 Campmeeting may be cancelled [Re: rudywoofs]
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RUDYWOOFS

WOW this is sad but this just shows that
the time is very close to being over

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#341430 - 2010-03-05 14:38:57 Re: Oregon 2010 Campmeeting may be cancelled [Re: dgrimm60]
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The Oregon Campmeeting I believe is the 2nd largest campmeeting in the NAD. It's possible that some people will be able to pony up the cash for it to continue. There are a number of multi-millionaire SDA's in this Conference who could contribute larger amounts as well as members who could just do smaller sums. It would be a shame to discontinue the campmeeting - Ellen White spoke there once or twice.
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#341448 - 2010-03-05 17:28:13 Re: Oregon 2010 Campmeeting may be cancelled [Re: rudywoofs]
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WELL I HOPE these members can pull through

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#341491 - 2010-03-05 20:07:12 Re: Oregon 2010 Campmeeting may be cancelled [Re: dgrimm60]
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me too
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#341498 - 2010-03-05 20:31:46 Re: Oregon 2010 Campmeeting may be cancelled [Re: olger]
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Me three. I know here in the southern NE campmeeting will only be the weekend I believe.

pk
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#341509 - 2010-03-05 21:31:06 Re: Oregon 2010 Campmeeting may be cancelled [Re: pkrause]
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I'm wondering if campmeeting is a dying thing. With streaming internet that people can watch at home and avoid the heat, rain, or other discomforts. I haven't gone in about 5 or 6 years. That doesn't mean I won't this year. Our church has services and SS during campmeeting with the senior pastor, so not many people go. Just my $.02

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#341594 - 2010-03-06 02:42:54 Re: Oregon 2010 Campmeeting may be cancelled [Re: Tallmark]
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I live in Oregon & I heard about this in church. It's sort of like a headline out of the Twilight Zone.

I'm certainly not in much of a position to help financially. I do pray that others are able to help pull this off. How many opportunities to help folks might we lose w/o campmeeting? After all, cm is for folks already in the church. The purpose leans heavily toward reform and fellowship, not evangelism. In this time, we need campmeeting more than ever.

Yes, it may have to be shortened. It is already shorter at 1 week than it was when I was growing up. Folks used to start gathering on Tuesday, meetings started on Wednesday and lasted thru the next Sabbath.
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#341631 - 2010-03-06 08:47:18 Re: Oregon 2010 Campmeeting may be cancelled [Re: pindoc]
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When I was a kid our campmeeting was two weeks plus the third weekend, beginning on a Friday and ending three Sundays later. It was a great social gathering which I enjoyed very much. Now, I haven't been to a campmeeting service in many years. They hold very little interest for me. And I question the wisdom of contributing money for the continuation of campmeetings. But I would be more than willing to follow the Lord. I will pray a silent prayer for a certain thing to happen if the Lord wants me to donate money for the purpose of campmeeting. I cannot reveal this request to anyone but the Lord, because if I did I could not be sure that the answer was coming from Him.
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#341634 - 2010-03-06 09:08:07 Re: Oregon 2010 Campmeeting may be cancelled [Re: pindoc]
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Campmeeting is a time set aside for the church to come together and focus on spiritual things in a location set aside for this outside of everyday life. More and more conferences are finding that the costs are very high for the time set aside: maintaining special locations, costs of bringing in special speakers and music presenters along with electricity, air conditioning, perhaps rental of location etc. More and more people are unable to set aside the time to go: work commitments and family also are an issue. Some conferences have a full eight days and are finding more and more of the church only attending on weekends.

We know that in end times money will become tight...we sure do see that today. Church schools are closing for lack of funds and SDA students.Where have the children all gone anyway? Churches are barely making it and are not growing at all. Some are not growing because the congregation is aging and others because the members are moving out of state for jobs or retirement. Other churches the members do NOT want to witness at all....they are afraid to go outside their walls..they really do not know their BIBLE.

Someone told me that the Michigan conference is having a really hard time because so many of it's members have moved and young people are not staying because there are no jobs. As a result their tithe is way down.Their church schools are not making it and churches are withering away. I was also told that in Montana over half of the churches have no children...TIME TO WAKE UP CHURCH.

Putting this all together: Jesus is coming soon and we need to be sharing our faith. We need get our priorities in line. HE IS COMING.

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#342107 - 2010-03-07 14:52:07 Re: Oregon 2010 Campmeeting may be cancelled [Re: Esther123]
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The tradition of camp meeting originally had families moving to the campground to live there in tents for 8 - 10 days, sometimes longer. There were meetings held all day long--a real spiritual feast. It was a time when there was only one breadwinner in the family, the father, so the mother and children lived on the campground the entire time, while father commuted after work on Friday and spent the weekend with his family.

In those days the young people had the opportunity of meeting other Adventist youth, and many lasting friendships were formed. To say nothing of the wonderful rousing sermons by inspiring preachers. I still remember when Elder Eric B. Hare spoke at our Lynwood (California) camp meeting, telling stories which kept us all fascinated with mission work. He told the story of "Don't you know? Haven't you heard? Hasn't anybody ever TOLD you??!" so beautifully that I've never forgotten it.

Nowadays, however, the Southern California Conference holds no camp meeting at all. Or if so, it's only a "one-day camp meeting" at a large convention hall.

Economic constraints are binding our work everywhere. Everything is changing, and quickly. We all need to have our faith strong within ourselves, and need to communicate with God daily so as to maintain our relationship with Him, and be ready when Jesus comes.
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#342204 - 2010-03-08 04:38:56 Re: Oregon 2010 Campmeeting may be cancelled [Re: Jeannieb43]
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The Lord will give me a sign by Easter, if He wants me to sponsor any campmeetings.
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#342213 - 2010-03-08 07:38:01 Re: Oregon 2010 Campmeeting may be cancelled [Re: oldsailor29]
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JEANNIEB42

NOT just in southern California but other states as
well have gone to just a weekend or just 1 day campmeetings

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#342372 - 2010-03-08 19:29:36 Re: Oregon 2010 Campmeeting may be cancelled [Re: dgrimm60]
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Florida moved its campmeeting from the Forest Lake Academy grounds at the center of the state to 2 1/2hours north to Camp Kulaqua and from the end of June to the first of March. I haven't heard as yet how many people actually were motivated to drive that far. There are some in the conference administration who have been trying for years to do away with Campmeeting completely.

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#342376 - 2010-03-08 19:44:02 Re: Oregon 2010 Campmeeting may be cancelled [Re: 'nuff sed]
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Oregon has for a long time only been a one week campmeeting. The Gladstone campgrounds are on the same location as the Oregon Conference headquarters and ABC. People come from all over the State to attend.

The first time I attended a Sabbath evening campmeeting there was an "altar call" from the evangelist who was giving the sermons. I couldn't believe that everyone got up and went forward. Except me. I didn't understand why so many people were there who felt so in need of saving....it was kind of weird.
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#342520 - 2010-03-09 09:10:32 Re: Oregon 2010 Campmeeting may be cancelled [Re: rudywoofs]
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#342572 - 2010-03-09 13:31:57 Re: Oregon 2010 Campmeeting may be cancelled [Re: 'nuff sed]
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Originally Posted By: 'nuff sed
Florida moved its campmeeting from the Forest Lake Academy grounds at the center of the state to 2 1/2hours north to Camp Kulaqua and from the end of June to the first of March. I haven't heard as yet how many people actually were motivated to drive that far. There are some in the conference administration who have been trying for years to do away with Campmeeting completely.


'nuff sed, when I lived in NYC we used to drive a long ways to go to CM. First we used to drive to Eagle Lake, and than Camp Berkshire. If I'm not mistaken they were both at lest an hour and ahalf, don't think they where 2 1/2 hours though. Some people will drive many hours to go to CM, they really enjoy it.

pk
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#345844 - 2010-03-19 19:01:01 Re: Oregon 2010 Campmeeting may be cancelled [Re: Esther123]
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It would be sad if Oregon could not have campmeeting. It is a very
special spiritual time. If Oregon is the 2nd largest campmeeting, what state has the largest???

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#345873 - 2010-03-19 21:25:04 Re: Oregon 2010 Campmeeting may be cancelled [Re: Esther123]
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Originally Posted By: Esther123
It would be sad if Oregon could not have campmeeting. It is a very
special spiritual time. If Oregon is the 2nd largest campmeeting, what state has the largest???


Good question, I'd also like to know. I had no idea that Oregon had the 2nd largest cm.

pk
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#346031 - 2010-03-20 08:24:55 Re: Oregon 2010 Campmeeting may be cancelled [Re: pkrause]
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PKRAUSE

I ALSO did not know about OREGON have 2nd largest
camp meeting

I also wonder want state has largest camp meeting

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#350594 - 2010-04-07 17:30:47 Re: Oregon 2010 Campmeeting may be cancelled [Re: Esther123]
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More and more conferences are finding that the costs are very high for the time set aside: maintaining special locations, costs of bringing in special speakers and music presenters along with electricity, air conditioning, perhaps rental of location etc.


A question just occurred to me:

Do special speakers and music presenters charge higher fees these days than they used to in the past?

Our state (Victoria, Australia) just had its first camp since 2006. (There was trouble finding a suitable venue for a while.)

It was HUGE. My husband and I went for the whole camp, the first time in our lives we have done so. We helped with the music in the kids' Kindergarten division.

It was held at Elmore, a little farming town in the centre of the state about 100 miles from Melbourne (population 881, according to one of the locals). There were about 1600 Adventists staying on the camp site and probably another 1000 came just for the Sabbath. Unfortunately it was over the Easter period so we did not boost the local economy by as much as we would have at other times!

We had 3 overseas guest speakers:
1. Herb Larsen
2. Cheri Peters (from 3ABN)
3. Eddie Hipolyte (Youth leader from England)

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Photo Gallery (Victorian Conference of SDA website)

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#350595 - 2010-04-07 17:36:52 Re: Oregon 2010 Campmeeting may be cancelled [Re: aldona]
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One of the California Conferences has the largest campmeeting.

Oregon Campmeeting for 2010 has been cancelled.

Quote:
Dear Oregon Conference Family,

With deep regret we are announcing the cancellation of Gladstone Camp Meeting 2010. This has been an extremely hard decision to make considering the value and blessing that camp meeting has been to so many of our members, but without the funds being available we feel that to move ahead would be irresponsible.

We received just over $70,000 in pledges for which we are very grateful. We know each of you who pledged dollars in support of camp meeting did it with a generous spirit and from your heart and we want you to know how very much it means to us. Throughout our Town Hall meetings we were personally made aware of the fact that finances are tight right now for the majority of our members. The response we received was just over one quarter of the requested $250,000 needed were we to go ahead this year. We asked for pledges instead of cash so if you made a pledge it is cancelled as it was directly related to an event that is now not happening.

We have looked at possibilities of running a reduced event but realized that much of the preparation and infrastructure would need to be present given our usual attendance of 12-15,000 on the weekend. This would result in small savings and would have pushed our costs over the amount pledged.

Those who have already given an amount for camp meeting can either have the funds reimbursed or redirected towards some other fund such as conference evangelism, television ministry, or future camp meeting expenses. Those who have prepaid registration fees for camping can contact Jayne Johnson and either apply the fees paid towards Camp Meeting 2011 or get full refunds.

We do realize that the Oregon Conference Camp Meeting is a core event for supporting and nurturing spiritual growth conference wide. Please know that this decision to cancel camp meeting came after much prayer and did not come lightly. We have already begun to prayerfully make concrete plans for next year’s camp meeting program.

If you have questions regarding this decision or ideas that will make Camp Meeting 2011 a greater blessing, please call me directly or any of the Oregon Conference administration.

We want you to know that the Oregon Conference is still very committed to the Gospel Commission and is looking creatively at ways to continue to support the church families as they spread God's love throughout their communities across Oregon and SW Washington.

Please join me in praying that God will continue to bless and guide as we give all of this over to Him and that He will continue to make His plans for our conference family clear to all of us. Thank you for your understanding and support.

Yours in the Blessed Hope,


Al Reimche
President
Oregon Conference of Seventh-day Adventists
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#350598 - 2010-04-07 17:45:39 Re: Oregon 2010 Campmeeting may be cancelled [Re: rudywoofs]
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Yes, I heard that it had been cancelled. :(
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#350635 - 2010-04-07 20:34:05 Re: Oregon 2010 Campmeeting may be cancelled [Re: aldona]
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Originally Posted By: aldona
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More and more conferences are finding that the costs are very high for the time set aside: maintaining special locations, costs of bringing in special speakers and music presenters along with electricity, air conditioning, perhaps rental of location etc.


A question just occurred to me:

Do special speakers and music presenters charge higher fees these days than they used to in the past?

Our state (Victoria, Australia) just had its first camp since 2006. (There was trouble finding a suitable venue for a while.)

It was HUGE. My husband and I went for the whole camp, the first time in our lives we have done so. We helped with the music in the kids' Kindergarten division.

It was held at Elmore, a little farming town in the centre of the state about 100 miles from Melbourne (population 881, according to one of the locals). There were about 1600 Adventists staying on the camp site and probably another 1000 came just for the Sabbath. Unfortunately it was over the Easter period so we did not boost the local economy by as much as we would have at other times!

We had 3 overseas guest speakers:
1. Herb Larsen
2. Cheri Peters (from 3ABN)
3. Eddie Hipolyte (Youth leader from England)

Here is the photo album:

Photo Gallery (Victorian Conference of SDA website)

aldona



Sounds like a great time. Did you get to hear Cheri Peters at all? I have not seen her in person but have watched her on 3ABN. She's is really great. I understand that she has or had lukemia (sp)? I also notice that she didn't have her 4th season as of yet? They are replaying her first 3 seasons this year.

pk
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#350682 - 2010-04-07 23:55:26 Re: Oregon 2010 Campmeeting may be cancelled [Re: pkrause]
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Hello all, new to the forums here. I just wanted to say that it is sad that we are going to miss out on the camp meeting for Oregon, good news however for Oregon is that ARME bible camp is coming to Oregon in May!

Anyone interested in coming I assure you will be packed with messages to feed the soul. Anyone looking to attend should definitely do it. Here is the link to their site:

http://www.armebiblecamp.com/

Also while you're at it look us up OYC or Oregon Youth for Christ which we just launched last month and will continue to provide here in Oregon!

http://oregonyc.net/

Add us to your facebook!


May God bless!


Edited by Valoaga (2010-04-07 23:56:45)

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#350688 - 2010-04-08 00:38:36 Re: Oregon 2010 Campmeeting may be cancelled [Re: Valoaga]
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Who's sponsoring the camp? And what does ARME stand for?
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#351173 - 2010-04-10 01:18:20 Re: Oregon 2010 Campmeeting may be cancelled [Re: Woody]
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Looks neat. But for $200 I'm out. Umph, no women speakers, either. Just multicolored people with one kind of anatomy.


"I enjoy being a girl." from Rodgers and Hammerstein's 1959 musical, Flower Drum Song

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#351238 - 2010-04-10 10:44:41 Re: Oregon 2010 Campmeeting may be cancelled [Re: pindoc]
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Originally Posted By: pindoc
Looks neat. But for $200 I'm out. Umph, no women speakers, either. Just multicolored people with one kind of anatomy.


"I enjoy being a girl." from Rodgers and Hammerstein's 1959 musical, Flower Drum Song

peace


Good Point. We as a church have really fallen backwards in this regard. Back in the good old days of Ellen White ... you could hear a good woman preacher very often. There were far more women pastors than there are now. What has happened. We need to return to our roots.

But this is all to be expected from an organization that had Doug Batchelor speak to them last year. :(
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#351679 - 2010-04-11 17:42:07 Re: Oregon 2010 Campmeeting may be cancelled [Re: Woody]
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But this is all to be expected from an organization that had Doug Batchelor speak to them last year. :(


STOP DENIGRATING DOUG BATCHELOR OR YOU WILL FIND YOURSELF AND POSSIBLY THE FORUM IN TROUBLE.

You are not anonymous here.
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#351682 - 2010-04-11 17:51:28 Re: Oregon 2010 Campmeeting may be cancelled [Re: rudywoofs]
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No problem. I stand behind what I stated. :)
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#351683 - 2010-04-11 17:52:46 Re: Oregon 2010 Campmeeting may be cancelled [Re: Woody]
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ewaye, my little omelet
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#351684 - 2010-04-11 17:57:01 Re: Oregon 2010 Campmeeting may be cancelled [Re: rudywoofs]
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Oregon Campmeeting is closed for the summer of 2010.
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#351720 - 2010-04-11 19:54:57 Re: Oregon 2010 Campmeeting may be cancelled [Re: rudywoofs]
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That's too bad. :(
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#351750 - 2010-04-11 22:11:45 Re: Oregon 2010 Campmeeting may be cancelled [Re: SivartM]
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The Lord answered my prayer about campmeetings. He does not want me to sponsor any of them.
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#351761 - 2010-04-11 23:45:09 Re: Oregon 2010 Campmeeting may be cancelled [Re: rudywoofs]
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Originally Posted By: rudywoofs
Originally Posted By: Redwood
But this is all to be expected from an organization that had Doug Batchelor speak to them last year. :(


STOP DENIGRATING DOUG BATCHELOR OR YOU WILL FIND YOURSELF AND POSSIBLY THE FORUM IN TROUBLE.

You are not anonymous here.


Is this what we as a denomination have come to? Being afraid to express an unfavorable opinion about an individual or their views, because of "consequences"?

Is this Communist Russia?

There are many good reasons to refrain from denigrating Doug, such as common courtesy or respect, or simply because it will not change anything.

But this fear of unspecified "trouble" from unnamed persons or organizations?

I have trouble believing that this is the church I belong to.

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#351796 - 2010-04-12 08:44:39 Re: Oregon 2010 Campmeeting may be cancelled [Re: aldona]
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Originally Posted By: aldona


There are many good reasons to refrain from denigrating Doug, such as common courtesy or respect, or simply because it will not change anything.

But this fear of unspecified "trouble" from unnamed persons or organizations?

I have trouble believing that this is the church I belong to.

aldona


Right. I don't believe it for a second either. I think we can say anything about Doug we want to say without fear. Personally, I think Doug is a very good and sincere Christian who is doing exactly what he is supposed to be doing. I think he was very wise to decline the suggested partnership with 3ABN.

Doug is not presenting full scholarly historical critical theology, and he isn't supposed to. His job, like all evangelists, is to sow the seeds. Evangelists sow the seeds of theology, then the seeds develop with the help of the Holy Spirit into the mature theological picture. Ideally, our faith and knowledge develop side by side. Doug Batchelor's mission is to introduce people to Christianity and Seventh-day Adventism, giving them a good start on the gospel road of their knowledge and faith development.

That is the way I see it.
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#351801 - 2010-04-12 10:30:49 Re: Oregon 2010 Campmeeting may be cancelled [Re: Woody]
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Originally Posted By: Woody
Originally Posted By: pindoc
Looks neat. But for $200 I'm out. Umph, no women speakers, either. Just multicolored people with one kind of anatomy.


"I enjoy being a girl." from Rodgers and Hammerstein's 1959 musical, Flower Drum Song

peace


Good Point. We as a church have really fallen backwards in this regard. Back in the good old days of Ellen White ... you could hear a good woman preacher very often. There were far more women pastors than there are now. What has happened. We need to return to our roots.

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Wow Woody, I didn't realize you were that old! Besides Ellen White, who was the last woman you heard preach at camp meeting? You know, memory is the first thing to go.

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#351807 - 2010-04-12 10:54:25 Re: Oregon 2010 Campmeeting may be cancelled [Re: doug yowell]
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Women speak at our campmeeting every year in KY-TN...
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#351809 - 2010-04-12 11:46:41 Re: Oregon 2010 Campmeeting may be cancelled [Re: doug yowell]
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Wow Woody, I didn't realize you were that old! Besides Ellen White, who was the last woman you heard preach at camp meeting? You know, memory is the first thing to go.


Yes. Well ... I was around in 1959. I do confess. If that makes me 'old' ... then so b it.

And I am very much able to remember the last woman who preached at campmeeting because I sleep with her each night.
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#351810 - 2010-04-12 11:54:06 Re: Oregon 2010 Campmeeting may be cancelled [Re: Woody]
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How does your wife feel about that, Woody?
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#351877 - 2010-04-12 17:28:48 Re: Oregon 2010 Campmeeting may be cancelled [Re: Woody]
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Wow Woody, I didn't realize you were that old! Besides Ellen White, who was the last woman you heard preach at camp meeting? You know, memory is the first thing to go.


Yes. Well ... I was around in 1959. I do confess. If that makes me 'old' ... then so b it.

And I am very much able to remember the last woman who preached at campmeeting because I sleep with her each night.
Did she know Ellen White too?

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#352788 - 2010-04-17 01:17:16 Re: Oregon 2010 Campmeeting may be cancelled [Re: pindoc]
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Originally Posted By: pindoc
Looks neat. But for $200 I'm out. Umph, no women speakers, either. Just multicolored people with one kind of anatomy.


"I enjoy being a girl." from Rodgers and Hammerstein's 1959 musical, Flower Drum Song

peace


It's a 4 day camp that I have had the opportunity to attend down in California, and I would never look back or regret attending. The camp itself will provide 3 meals a day and lodging, but the entire purpose of the camp is to strengthen God's people with good solid messages founded on our beliefs. I can tell you that it changed my life along with many of the youth that attended that meeting which is why Oregon Youth for Christ launched this year!

In short it's easy to look at the price tag and say it's too much. I will not judge anyone either if they decide to not attend the meetings due to finance. I do know however that God promises that he will provide if we ask in faith. I have been Adventist for the better part of my life although I slipped and was back-slidden for awhile. This ministry by the power of God not only rejuvenated my walk with God but also was a big instrument in changing my view on self which ushered in a reunion with my wife and family. Also I don't see why this should be about male or female speaking. It's not like they have openly opposed women speakers. I have seen women speaking in the churches before. Look at Israel, there were a handful of women but a boat load of men, does that mean that an organization with an all male panel is against women speakers? This is about the message, not the gender of the person.

All I can say is there is not price tag that God will not give. If you are in a financial bind as well they offer scholarships. I hope that money will not stand in your way of making a decision to attend these meetings - I'll be praying for you all.

God bless and happy Sabbath!


Edited by Valoaga (2010-04-17 01:31:52)

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#352789 - 2010-04-17 01:23:31 Re: Oregon 2010 Campmeeting may be cancelled [Re: aldona]
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"Is this what we as a denomination have come to? Being afraid to express an unfavorable opinion about an individual or their views, because of "consequences"?

"Is this Communist Russia?

There are many good reasons to refrain from denigrating Doug, such as common courtesy or respect, or simply because it will not change anything.

But this fear of unspecified "trouble" from unnamed persons or organizations?

I have trouble believing that this is the church I belong to.

aldona"


We are living in the last days, why would it be hard to understand it? The bible gives a poorest picture of Laodicea, not a pretty one.

BTW I do agree with your post. In fact it should be a compliment to pastor Doug to be ridiculed. Show me a messenger of God that was loved by the people and I'll show you a false messenger.


Edited by Valoaga (2010-04-17 01:28:50)

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#352793 - 2010-04-17 01:36:17 Re: Oregon 2010 Campmeeting may be cancelled [Re: Valoaga]
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Val.., wow you got a way with words that I really enjoy reading. I may not fully agree, but the way you write them I get a blessing just reading them. Please keep it up!

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#352799 - 2010-04-17 01:53:05 Re: Oregon 2010 Campmeeting may be cancelled [Re: Dr. Rich]
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I forgot to add the link of Oregon Youth for Christ team this year which has all of its talks and sermons on audioverse. Here is the direct link to Oregon Youth for Christ!

http://www.audioverse.org/sermons/conferences/38/oyc-2010-awakened-hope.html

If anyone is not familiar with audioverse please feel free to check it out. You can download any sermon for free. There are even a few women speakers. :)

Dr. Rich - All the glory belongs to God. God bless you brother.



Edited by Valoaga (2010-04-17 01:55:03)

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#352853 - 2010-04-17 10:54:25 Re: Oregon 2010 Campmeeting may be cancelled [Re: Valoaga]
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Does this OYC have anything to do with the Oregon Conference of Seventh day Adventists? Or NAD OR the GC ... OR is it an offshoot church and ministry?
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#352939 - 2010-04-17 19:24:53 Re: Oregon 2010 Campmeeting may be cancelled [Re: Woody]
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Does this OYC have anything to do with the Oregon Conference of Seventh day Adventists? Or NAD OR the GC ... OR is it an offshoot church and ministry?


We are recognized by the General Conference.

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#352990 - 2010-04-17 23:19:17 Re: Oregon 2010 Campmeeting may be cancelled [Re: rudywoofs]
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Originally Posted By: rudywoofs
Oregon Campmeeting is closed for the summer of 2010.


Since the closure was certain, I have not heard one word about this at church. This surprises me.

However, I agree with my mother's comment: we just need to close it till we can afford to have it. None of this borrowing to afford campmeeting. I would have had a FIT if we borrowed money to run campmeeting. What about next year? If we were short on funds again, would we borrow money again?

Besides, the impact on all of us will be greater, missing campmeeting altogether. It will be more likely that next year, funds will appear.

Proverbs 22:7 (New American Standard Bible)

7 - The rich rules over the poor,
And the borrower becomes the lender's slave.

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#365362 - 2010-06-09 11:30:50 Re: Oregon 2010 Campmeeting may be cancelled [Re: pindoc]
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I am saddened as to the canceling of the Oregon Campmeeting, have some good memories of visiting it from time to time. We need to become creative as real campmeetings play a positive role. It was easier when there tended to be one breadwinner and the rest of the family could stay all week. Maybe we can have relatives, or at least friends from our churches form a way where the adults can take off a couple of days here and there where they will take turns to watch the other's children and teens so the children and teens can be there all week.

Loma Linda has a few weeks that they call "Campmeeting" but it is not that much different from the rest of the year. The campmeetng is sort of the religious fair. Union Springs has it's campmeeting starting this weekend, I have 3 days off during the week next week and look forward to attending.

I have also found that during the weekends they tend to have it so structured that I have not gotten much out of the weekends. It is the programs during the week that tend to be more educational, and relaxed to socialize and to enjoy the ABC and buying and trying the different health foods. One thing I did not like and in recent years it fortunately has not been so bad, but while growing up I hated the last Sabbath of campmeetng. Being the biggest crowed, it was just full of commercials and fundraising for the different ministries of the church. I think that the traditional Infomercial and trying to get your money of the last Sabbath may have been a big killer of campmeeting.

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#365365 - 2010-06-09 11:57:44 Re: Oregon 2010 Campmeeting may be cancelled [Re: Kevin H]
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All conferences have sufficient funds for camp meetings. It's just a matter of prioritizing. Apparently ... some conferences have other priorities. Perhaps that is good. Perhaps that is bad. Depends upon the conference.
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#365367 - 2010-06-09 12:00:58 Re: Oregon 2010 Campmeeting may be cancelled [Re: oldsailor29]
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Originally Posted By: oldsailor29
Originally Posted By: aldona


There are many good reasons to refrain from denigrating Doug, such as common courtesy or respect, or simply because it will not change anything.

But this fear of unspecified "trouble" from unnamed persons or organizations?

I have trouble believing that this is the church I belong to.

aldona


Right. I don't believe it for a second either. I think we can say anything about Doug we want to say without fear. Personally, I think Doug is a very good and sincere Christian who is doing exactly what he is supposed to be doing. I think he was very wise to decline the suggested partnership with 3ABN.

Doug is not presenting full scholarly historical critical theology, and he isn't supposed to. His job, like all evangelists, is to sow the seeds. Evangelists sow the seeds of theology, then the seeds develop with the help of the Holy Spirit into the mature theological picture. Ideally, our faith and knowledge develop side by side. Doug Batchelor's mission is to introduce people to Christianity and Seventh-day Adventism, giving them a good start on the gospel road of their knowledge and faith development.

That is the way I see it.


Amen Oldsalor! I frequently hear Doug B. saying things that I do not agree with, but then again that is not his background and we all are at different levels of growth and understanding; and for him to spend all his time for this study it would not leave time for him to do his job. We are all in this together and we all have things we need to learn and unlearn.

Let's not forget that the one or two men who were healed when the pigs ran into the sea were not Jewish with knowlege of the Bible, but they were heathen, pagans. When Jesus healed them they did not suddenly have the Bible go into their mind. They had their limited pagan background to work with. I have a suspicition that if we could travel back in history and attend some of their meetings, we would feel worst than hearing the worst that Doug Batchlor ever said. We could be whining about them for hours on end in our posts here. Yet they were sent directly by Jesus as the first missionaries to the gentiles. Later as the Church grew did their converts grow in knowlege of God and the Bible. Doug is a man who is willing to grow. The Doug Batchlor of today is nothing like the Doug Batchlor of say 20 or so years ago, he has shown a large amount of growth. But let him do his job while we do ours. He is to reach out to those of the limited Biblical background and bring them to the God of the Bible, and it's our job to befriend them and help them to grow.

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#365371 - 2010-06-09 12:11:22 Re: Oregon 2010 Campmeeting may be cancelled [Re: Valoaga]
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Originally Posted By: Valoaga
I forgot to add the link of Oregon Youth for Christ team this year which has all of its talks and sermons on audioverse. Here is the direct link to Oregon Youth for Christ!

http://www.audioverse.org/sermons/conferences/38/oyc-2010-awakened-hope.html

If anyone is not familiar with audioverse please feel free to check it out. You can download any sermon for free. There are even a few women speakers. :)

Dr. Rich - All the glory belongs to God. God bless you brother.



Good post Val! As to Audio verse - my elder son works with them. Blessings,


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