To me it does. There are many portions of the bible I do not enjoy reading. But I believe them to be true no matter what is says.

I understand a muslim will choose the Qur'an as inspired. That does not make it so or the bible any less inspired.

If americans have to be verbally lashed and blamed for the muslim hatreds then we need to stop revering the muslim religion.
Their history,based on blood and death should be remembered at the sight or words of a muslim anywhere as it is with americans.
I do not revere the religion of Islam,I believe it to be something evil for many.
I do not believe the west is responsible for their poverty.Their leaders are and will keep them that way.A thriving nation has little interest in blowing up bldgs in America.
I don't care if they like or approve our culture.I don't approve of theirs either.
I don't care if they added bits and pieces of the bible into theirs.It does not make theirs inspired.
I don't care what they believe as long as they do not force others at the point of a knife to follow theirs.
They should be treated with fairness and kindness.They should not be given freedom to run rough shod over others

"Even one of their own prophets has said, "Cretans are always liars, evil brutes, lazy gluttons. This testimony is true. Therefore, rebuke them sharply, so that they will be sound in the faith" (Paul of Tarsus).

Peter wasn't POLITICALLY CORRECT either.

"The Lord knoweth how to deliver the godly out of temptations, and to reserve the unjust unto the day of judgment to be punished:
10 But chiefly them that walk after the flesh in the lust of uncleanness, and despise government. Presumptuous are they, selfwilled, they are not afraid to speak evil of dignities.
11 Whereas angels, which are greater in power and might, bring not railing accusation against them before the Lord.
12 But these, as natural brute beasts, made to be taken and destroyed, speak evil of the things that they understand not; and shall utterly perish in their own corruption.." (2 peter 2:9-12).

I guess Peter & Paul had no trouble with honesty. Halleleujah,



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Hmmmmm....Same attitude as the early settler, I would imagine. Substitute "injun" for "muslim" and "Great Spirit" for "Qur'an" and I believe there is a problem here....



Ah, patri-ism...Isn't it a beautiful thing?! No need for it to be correct, but that patriotic spirit will never be bannished ever again....Say, wasn't it the chief high priest who said that for politics sake, one man should die for the nation?



Wonder if the early settlers said the same thing about the indians....



I am sure that the early settlers were of the same mind.... substitute "uprisings" for "blowing up bldgs"....



Same as the early settlers...



Same attitude as the early settlers.....



That is the same attitude as the early settlers against the indian.....



"fairness and kindness"....We sent the indian off thier land and to the 'reservations'....Sure, that was fair....

Murder and slaughter are OK - indeed, laudable - when 'we' do it but damnable when 'they' do it. OK.

This quote from Sam Harris that a friend posted on Facebook yesterday comes to mind...

"Religion raises the stakes of human conflict much higher than tribalism, racism, or politics ever can, as it is the only form of in-group/out-group thinking that casts the difference between people in terms of eternal rewards and punishments" Sam Harris

It would really be helpful if you could actually stick to what was said. I did say the way this land was settled it was atrocious.
It was also the way of the world at that time. Wrong as it was land was conquered by those stronger than the inhabitants.
As the Ojibwe of MN conquered,killed and made slaves of the Souix.

Atrocious, but you don't anyone making a big deal out over it, because that's just the way people were back then.

But of course that doesn't count for the Muslims! They were obviously a different story. Nasty people!

There is little point to making a big deal of it. America is a reality,it is done. Many things were done "back then" that would be hard to understand or think right. The attitude that America must forever hang it's head in shame or that it invaded this peaceful tranquil land where all was love and harmony is bogus and is getting old.No one alive today had a thing to do with it and it cannot be changed.



Big difference in case you have not read your history. Islam is still the same bloody brutal religion it was in the beginning. They conquered,killed and tortured many,many people and that has not stopped.
They did not come here to conquer this land.They came to kill and produce terror and then have the grunts die with them as their "christian leaders" of theirs directed.

Muslims kill muslims at quite a rate.Explain how that happens with this peaceful religion. Since around 1948 well over 11,000,000 muslims have been killed. Can you guess by who? What does their hatred of the west have to do with the slaughter of so many of their own. Maybe you want to look up the very small number that were actually killed by Israel.
Well over 90% were muslims killed by muslims.

There is but one inspired word of God.What you believe I have no idea.It maybe in other languages but God's word is inspired. Sorry if you have a problem with that.There is nothing inspired by the Qur"an







If you hold one group accountable for acts centuries ago,that should hold for Islam as well.
Prior to anything good being said about them,recount their evils committed against others




I would think so.I am sure the indians were devout about their belief but that did not make it so. I believe those that lived up to the light they had will be in the kingdom










I doubt it,they did not come for the sole reason to kill. Muslims did








Maybe you think the muslims should have input to american culture I don't. If they don't like it,stay home.





There is one inspired word of God,I hope the settlers believed that. Maybe not




What they believe is not my responsibility.As long as they do not use force against others to "make them believe" as they do.




You are adding again.What part of "the settling of this land was atrocious" are you having problems understanding ?

"Nothing inspired by the Qur'an"? I am aware that the Sabbath is presented in a favorable light in the Qur'an....And that is the Saturday Sabbath....







I wonder...if we were ever to get to the negotiating table with Islam or the Teleban, AND we recounted all the attrocities that they did...I wonder how far we would get in negotiating .....



What? Those savages that scalped people and hung those same scalps on thier belts??? Something tells me that the early settlers thought only that the savages were evil....



Hmmmmmm.....I am sure that the Indian thought of it when the white man broke so many treaties. I am sure that when they uprose against the attrocities of the white man, they slaughtered farms/families...I wonder how many culture foopahs/no-nos we managed to mangle with the muslims....Nah, they're just savages, like the indian. There's no reasoning with them....right?




Hey, I never said that...Don't you be a puttin' words in MY mouth that I never said...Your the one with the chip on her shoulder over muslims...You are the one who wants to destroy them and kill them because they are senseless creatures...You are the one who doesn't want to treat them as human beings and find out thier greivances with us...This is how you WANT it done....destroy the lot of them....and do it in the name of God and the good ol' US of A.



Perhaps...but if you were to take the time to understand what we have done to create the attitude that they have against us, maybe, just maybe, you might understand thier hatred against us...Nah, don't do it...you've relegated them to less than human beings...mere pests to exterminate...Isn't that what Germany said of the Jews?.....



Abducation of responsibility that our Savior entrusted to us is not an option...."Go into all the world, making deciples and lo, I will be with you until the end of the age..."It is YOUR responsibility....and you had better care...otherwise they will sense your...lack of caring...




The same problem of understanding your atrocious attitude . Perhaps you didn't notice that I was noticing your attitude....

I wasn't talking about the settling of America at all: the 'we' in my post was us Judeo-Christians. (I'm not in the American 'we'...)

It's OK for the Jews to begin in slaughter, because God said so, but when the Muslims do so 1200 years later, it's damnable. That's my point and my whole point. Exceptionalism.

Murder is OK for people with whom we agree but just cause to dismiss entirely and damn entire religions with whom we disagree.

Murder is murder. As Feyerabend said, there is no culturally authentic torture or murder, there is just torture or murder.

If God commanded it, so much the worse for God.