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#343934 - 2010-03-13 12:17:17 Re: So why is it? [Re: Woody]
Stan Offline
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Col 2-16 So let no one judge you in food or in drink, or regarding a festival or a new moon or sabbaths

have anything to do with what ever holidays someone wants to celebrate
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#343936 - 2010-03-13 12:19:27 Re: So why is it? [Re: Stan]
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Originally Posted By: Stan Jensen
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Col 2-16 So let no one judge you in food or in drink, or regarding a festival or a new moon or sabbaths

have anything to do with what ever holidays someone wants to celebrate



Well ... I do agree with the not judging the food or drink. So, I guess I could also go along with the festivals and new moons etc. :)
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#343945 - 2010-03-13 13:12:19 Re: So why is it? [Re: karl]
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Originally Posted By: karl
Sorry to not care about the Christmas discussion, but, on the original topic, I am wondering if anyone besides me believes that men do, in fact, engage in conspiracies? How is it that people could be so naive as to believe that men conspire?

Do men conspire, behind closed doors, to foist their will upon the public? Do they succeed? What is a coup d'etat? Why would we have such a term if this never happens?
Karl, I'm very disappointed that you, of all people, would fall for that conspiracy nonsense. It's just plain silly!!

Signed,
Osama bin Laden

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#344003 - 2010-03-13 15:11:35 Re: So why is it? [Re: Stan]
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Flo I appreciated all your posts. Even though I don't necessarily agree with your thoughts. I think Stan had a much better verse that he posted.
For me I think were it not for the Jews we would not have had any holidays. Its because of them that many Christians wanted other days of worship and holidays to celebrate, because they didn't want to be persecuted as the Jews were.

pk
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#344009 - 2010-03-13 15:31:58 Re: So why is it? [Re: pkrause]
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You all are trying to say that there is no such thing as "Conspiracy theories", that our government doesn't conspire secretly behind closed doors?

GIVE ME A BREAK!

Wasn't it a government who conspired behind closed doors to KILL JESUS? And who was behind that? Certainly not God but Satan himself! And you all think that Satan isn't working today to cause the deaths of Christians?


Edited by Pickie Chickie (2010-03-13 15:33:16)

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#344016 - 2010-03-13 15:39:02 Re: So why is it? [Re: Pickie Chickie]
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Osama bin Laden[a] is the leader of al-Qaeda and is wanted in connection with the August 7, 1998, bombings of the United States embassies, Dar es Salaam, Tanzania, and Nairobi, Kenya. These attacks killed over 200 people. Bin Laden and al-Qaeda are responsible for the October 12, 2000, attack on the USS Cole off the coast of Yemen, which killed 17.

Although bin Laden later appeared on the first publicly released FBI Most Wanted Terrorists list on October 10, 2001, he was listed there for the 1998 embassy attack, and not for his alleged role in the September 11, 2001 terrorist attacks that killed nearly 3,000 people, because the most wanted lists name fugitives charged with a crime by a prosecutor or under indictment by a grand jury.

Bin Laden was named as an "unindicted co-conspirator" in, for instance, the federal indictment against convicted terrorist Zacarias Moussaoui, but has not been formally indicted for his role in the September 11, 2001, attacks.

Osama bin Laden is the subject of a $50 million[17] reward through the State Department's Rewards for Justice program targeting international fugitives, especially terrorists, plus $2 million through a program developed and funded by the Air Line Pilots Association and the Air Transport Association.[a][18][19]

Why hasn't Bin Laden been indicted yet if the US government is so sure he was involved? Because there is NO proof!


SOURCE: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FBI_Ten_Most_Wanted_Fugitives


Edited by Pickie Chickie (2010-03-13 15:40:02)

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#344019 - 2010-03-13 15:47:10 Re: So why is it? [Re: Neil D]
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Originally Posted By: Neil D
Originally Posted By: karl
Sorry to not care about the Christmas discussion, but, on the original topic, I am wondering if anyone besides me believes that men do, in fact, engage in conspiracies? How is it that people could be so naive as to believe that men conspire?


Conspire to do what? That is the question...


One thing at a time, Neil. First we have to establish that men are capable of conspiring and have, in fact, conspired.

If you will admit that this has happened, we can move on to discuss specific conspiracies. If all you want to do is make fun of people who seem to be a little more knowledgeable about the human tendency to conspire, there is no need to take the discussion any further.

Do you believe in conspiracies, Neil? Do you believe people have, and are likely to, engage in conspiracies?

If not, why do you think we have laws against, say, "conspiracy to defraud?"

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#344033 - 2010-03-13 16:21:55 Re: So why is it? [Re: Pickie Chickie]
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Originally Posted By: Pickie Chickie
You all are trying to say that there is no such thing as "Conspiracy theories", that our government doesn't conspire secretly behind closed doors?

GIVE ME A BREAK!

Wasn't it a government who conspired behind closed doors to KILL JESUS? And who was behind that? Certainly not God but Satan himself! And you all think that Satan isn't working today to cause the deaths of Christians?


Haven't seen one post saying there are no conspiracy theories. Just that people are so willing to jump on any CT. Your taking it way to personal. And lets say that every theory is correct. What do you think can be done to stop one of them?

pk
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"Government is the enemy, until you need a friend".
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#344034 - 2010-03-13 16:26:10 Re: So why is it? [Re: karl]
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Karl, I need to go on record as saying that I do NOT believe that people are likely to engage in conspiracies!!
Sincerely yours,
John Wilkes Booth

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#344036 - 2010-03-13 16:32:41 Re: So why is it? [Re: doug yowell]
SivartM Online   willy_nilly
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Yes, doug, I think you've done a fine job of satirizing the beliefs of nobody in this discussion. Thank you for your contribution. :)

Just because some conspiracies exist, that does not mean that everything is a conspiracy. As has been said, most of the popular conspiracy theories are just meant to distract us from Satan's conspiracy. Once you start believing everything the conspiracy "experts" tell you, you can't trust anyone, and you can't listen to any dissenting sources, and you have to convert everyone to your conspiracy theories. It's really not unlike a cult. I don't really see any reason for Christians to freak out because someone told them that the government is trying to kill everyone (for... some reason...).
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