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#343366 - 2010-03-11 16:52:09 What's the Point?
Tom Wetmore Latitudinarian Registered: 2000-06-21 Posts: 4610 Loc: Silver Spring, MD, USA	Of what value or benefit is it to argue with a caricature of the opposition? _________________________ "Absurdity reigns and confusion makes it look good." "Sinless perfection is such a shallow goal." "I love God only as much as the person I love the least." *Forgiveness is always good news. And that is the gospel truth. (And finally, the ideas expressed above are solely my person views and not that of any organization with which I am associated.)
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#343386 - 2010-03-11 18:26:50 Re: What's the Point? [Re: Tom Wetmore]
Bravus Husband and Father Registered: 2004-09-05 Posts: 13740 Loc: Brisbane, Australia	Really understanding the opposition's point of view requires a lot of listening and thinking, and that's hard work. I say this with 95% at least pointed squarely at myself. _________________________ Truth is important
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#343389 - 2010-03-11 18:44:46 Re: What's the Point? [Re: Bravus]
RLH Mr. Murphy's daddy Registered: 2009-07-07 Posts: 18995 Loc: North Carolina	Amen Tom. That's why you should replace that crafty looking cat, with a real picture of yourself. And Bravus, I'm glad you finally see my point. And admit what you've been doing wrong 95% of the time. You're bound to feel better about yourself now.
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#343400 - 2010-03-11 19:52:30 Re: What's the Point? [Re: Tom Wetmore]
abelisle Seeker Registered: 2002-08-13 Posts: 1509 Loc: Bronx, NY, USA	Originally Posted By: Tom Wetmore Of what value or benefit is it to argue with a caricature of the opposition? Hmm . . . I was thinking the same thing and it goes on and on and on and on . . . . . . . Alex (at least I'm the "real thing" avatar ) Edited by abelisle (2010-03-11 19:53:55) _________________________ We are our worst enemy - sad but true. http://abelisle.blogspot.com
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#343418 - 2010-03-11 20:58:53 Re: What's the Point? [Re: abelisle]
Bravus Husband and Father Registered: 2004-09-05 Posts: 13740 Loc: Brisbane, Australia	Written elsewhere (by me) this morning: Quote: I think the whole ‘conservative vs liberal’ mindset is part of the problem, certainly – because I don’t even think that way. Arguments stand or fall on their own merit, not whether they are conservative or liberal. And most ideas are complex enough that they partake to some extent of both of those rather arbitrary frames. The division of the world into two and only two warring camps is an unfortunate development of the past decade or so, and impoverishes debate. It would be excellent if we could get beyond it here. I am not flying a liberal flag in a den of conservatives, I am having a conversation with a group of fellow believers in Christ. _________________________ Truth is important
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#343451 - 2010-03-11 22:26:31 Re: What's the Point? [Re: abelisle]
Dr. Rich Registered: 2008-02-12 Posts: 3248 Loc: California	Hmmm, it appears that someone here finally figured 'us' out Richard. Now would you like to switch places? People would scream!
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#343483 - 2010-03-12 00:43:38 Re: What's the Point? [Re: Bravus]
Jeannieb43 Princess of Pasadena Registered: 2001-12-29 Posts: 3592 Loc: California	Originally Posted By: Bravus Written elsewhere (by me) this morning: Quote: I think the whole ‘conservative vs liberal’ mindset is part of the problem, certainly – because I don’t even think that way. Arguments stand or fall on their own merit, not whether they are conservative or liberal. And most ideas are complex enough that they partake to some extent of both of those rather arbitrary frames. The division of the world into two and only two warring camps is an unfortunate development of the past decade or so, and impoverishes debate. It would be excellent if we could get beyond it here. I am not flying a liberal flag in a den of conservatives, I am having a conversation with a group of fellow believers in Christ. Amen. I've lived three quarters of a century. Never in my lifetime has there been such a schism in American politics. There's always been a healthy disagreement about various things, but never has there been an attempt to cause the other party to fail. _________________________ Jeannie ...Change is inevitable; growth is optional....
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#343537 - 2010-03-12 09:24:58 Re: What's the Point? [Re: Woody]
abelisle Seeker Registered: 2002-08-13 Posts: 1509 Loc: Bronx, NY, USA	Call me paranoid. Call me a heretic. Call me an anomaly. Call me a liberal. Call me an iconoclast. Call me an existentialist. Call me a racist. Call me an idiot. But please call me your "brother in Christ" I sure hope that some of the more strident political views expressed here aren't smokescreens for other more scary things? Alex ("come let us reason together") _________________________ We are our worst enemy - sad but true. http://abelisle.blogspot.com
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#343670 - 2010-03-12 17:50:34 Re: What's the Point? [Re: Tom Wetmore]
jasd Registered: 2005-02-15 Posts: 3223 Loc: Oregon	>>Of what value or benefit is it to argue with a caricature of the opposition?<< Coupla things: first, wouldn’t it be that “caricature”, as beauty, is in the eye of the beholder? Second, ...practice makes perfect?
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#343673 - 2010-03-12 18:07:52 Re: What's the Point? [Re: abelisle]
jasd Registered: 2005-02-15 Posts: 3223 Loc: Oregon	>>I sure hope that some of the more strident political views expressed here aren't smokescreens for other more scary things?<< Contrarily, let us hope that truth will out..., as indeed, things are very, very much scarier than let on; but never fear, doesn’t perfect luv cast out scare?
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