Not if you understand what she means! Here:

"Deity did not die. Humanity died" [5BC 1113, EGW]

"By His obedience to all the commandments of God, Christ wrought out a redemption for man. This was not done by going out of Himself to another, but by taking humanity into Himself. Thus Christ gave to humanity an existence out of Himself. To bring humanity into Christ, to bring the fallen race into oneness with divinity,is the work of redemption." [7BC 927, EGW]

"You also were made to die to the Law through the body of Christ" [Paul]

"Our old self [our old life from Adam] was crucified with Him, in order that our body of sin might be done away with...." [Paul]

"One died for all, and therefore all died" [Paul]

The death of Christ as the Son of Man was a corporate death. Your life from Adam was assumed at the incarnation and therefore it died in the body of Christ. By doing so God legally qualified Christ to be our Savior. The law has been legally and ethically answered because YOU DIED in the humanity of Christ.

Amen! By living and dying the perfect life and death Jesus earned the legal right to pardon and save the penitent and to punish and destroy the impenitent.

I didn't understand your response to the following quote: "In dying upon the cross, He transferred the guilt from the person of the transgressor to that of the divine Substitute through faith in Him as his personal Redeemer." {TDG 236.2} Do you agree Jesus transferred the sin and guilt of the world to Himself?

Robert what you are teaching is a basic babylonian doctrine that denies the power of God to do for the sinner what He has said He will do. Which is: give the power to overcome. Grace is not just forgiveness, but the power to gain the victory over sin.

2Ti 3:5 Having a form of godliness, but denying the power thereof: from such turn away.


Is asking forgiveness the same as overcoming? Not at all.

Rev 21:7 He that overcomes shall inherit all things; and I will be his God, and he shall be my son.

Joh 8:34 Jesus answered them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Whosoever commits sin is the servant of sin. And the servant abides not in the house forever: but the Son abides ever.


1Co 15:57 But thanks be to God, who gives us the victory through our Lord Jesus Christ.

Jud 1:24 Now unto him who is able to keep you from falling, and to present you faultless before the presence of his glory with exceeding joy,

Rom 6:15 What then? shall we sin, because we are not under the law, but under grace? God forbid.

Mat 7:21 Not every one that says unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that does the will of my Father who is in heaven.

Jn 3:8,9 He that commits sin is of the devil; for the devil sins from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil. Whosoever is born of God does not commit sin; for his nature remains in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.


1Jn 3:24 And he that keeps his commandments dwells in him, and he in him. And by this we know that he abides in us, by the Spirit whom he has given us.

Okay, so back to name calling/labeling? All this does is gets the flesh going....You'll start, and I'll go off....Let's just take a deep breath....Just say you disagree....I'm going to try a different approach...how about you?

I didn't call you any names, I only identified a doctrine. I'm only trying to help. If I can't help I usually move on.

Passover and Atonement are NOT the same thing. Jesus Christ died as the Passover lamb, innocent of sin, as the PURCHASE PRICE for the Kingdom of Heaven (not the world-look it up). The Atonement sacrifice that occurred once a year was made to pay the penalty of the Kingdom of Heaven for the sin of disobedience. This Lamb also had no spot or blemish (no sin either in or on it), because only a sinless sacrifice will qualify as payment of the death penalty. In neither of these does the sacrificial Lamb kill itself.

Neither Jesus Christ in the NT or the Temple service described in the OT make a distinction between a physical death and a spirit death. The body and the spirit make a living soul. When the body dies the spirit leaves and the soul is no more.

To say that Jesus died only in the flesh is to confirm the lie that when you die your soul goes to Heaven as a consciousness.

Jesus did not die a natural death as either the Passover or as the Atonement. By Law a penalty of death is a sentence that is required and the person who is sentenced does not carry out that sentence themselves. Going willingly to your death is not the same thing as committing suicide to carry out that sentence.

If A = B, and B = C, then A =C.
Satan has no power over God, Jesus Christ is God. Therefore Satan cannot possibly under any circumstances kill Jesus. A natural death does not pay the penalty. Only an execution under Law can pay the death penalty. Natural death is a consequence of sin and not a penalty for disobedience. Jesus as God could not die a natural death as a consequence of sin, because there was NO sin in Him. Since Jesus could not be killed by Satan, and since Jesus Christ by law had to be sinless in order to pay the penalty sin could not kill Jesus Christ. (Jesus did not bear the weight of our sin, neither did that weight have anything to do with His death). Therefore, the ONLY being that had the authority and power to cause the death of Jesus Christ was God the Father. To say otherwise is to deny both the power of the Law and the power of God to fulfill the Law. Fulfilling the Law does not put aside the Law. The Law still exists even when all of the requirements of the Law are met.

As usual, you make a statement. I show three or four texts that prove just the opposite of what you said. Yet you never seem to even get a sense, that something might be wrong with your paradigm. It's truly amazing.

1Jn 2:2 And he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for ours only, but also for the sins of the whole world.

Joh 1:29 The next day John seeth Jesus coming unto him, and saith, Behold the Lamb of God, which taketh away the sin of the world.

Joh 1:12 But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the children of God, even to them that believe on his name:

Joh 3:17 For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved.

"Robert what you are teaching is a basic babylonian doctrine"

No, you are labeling me when you say I teach a "babylonian doctrine". I gave you the gospel.....That's not Babylon.

Let's study what that phrase means:

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Robert, would you mind addressing the question posed in 343978?

1. In what sense do you believe Jesus died? 2. Did His humanity die? 3. Did His divinity die? 4. Did He die the first death? 5. Did He die the second death? 6. What purpose did His death serve? 7. Did He pay our sin debt of death?