#349532 - 2010-04-03 12:55:13
Re: "war in heaven" - real or metaphorical?
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1.Do you agree that my summary (the 5 points) correctly reflects Waggoner's position? 2.Do you agree with the position which was summarized? 1. Yes. 2. Yes. Now, for another question - Does Elliot agree with Ellen that the rites and rules Jesus added at Sinai illustrate and apply the principles of the Ten Commandment?
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#349609 - 2010-04-03 20:41:02
Re: "war in heaven" - real or metaphorical?
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p:1.God did not induce them to make the covenant at Sinai. 2.Four hundred and thirty years before that time He had made a covenant with Abraham, which was sufficient for all purposes. 3.When the people came to Sinai, God simply referred them to what He had already done, saying, "Now therefore, if ye will obey My voice indeed, and keep My covenant, then ye shall be a peculiar treasure unto Me above all people; for all the earth is Mine." Ex.19:5. 4.To what covenant did He refer?--Evidently to the one already in existence, His covenant with Abraham. 5.The fact that they in their self-sufficiency rashly took the whole responsibility upon themselves, does not prove that God led them into making that covenant, but the contrary.
A:1. Yes. 2. Yes.
Please note the following points: 3.When the people came to Sinai, God simply referred them to what He had already done, saying, "Now therefore, if ye will obey My voice indeed, and keep My covenant, then ye shall be a peculiar treasure unto Me above all people; for all the earth is Mine." Ex.19:5.
4.To what covenant did He refer?--Evidently to the one already in existence, His covenant with Abraham.
5.The fact that they in their self-sufficiency rashly took the whole responsibility upon themselves, does not prove that God led them into making that covenant, but the contrary.
God did not initiate the covenant at Sinai. He simply referred them back to the covenant He had formed with Abraham. Now, for another question - Does Elliot agree with Ellen that the rites and rules Jesus added at Sinai illustrate and apply the principles of the Ten Commandment?
I addressed that earlier. These quotes shouldn't be understood as contradicting what Waggoner said, especially given that EGW endorsed his view as "clear and convincing" as well as stating that we would be "spending our investigative powers for naught" to come up with "an alternative view."(Post #348446) Assuming that Ellen White understood what Waggoner taught, and didn't contradict herself, let's see if we can understand these quotes in harmony with the above. The first quote says that additional precepts were given to illustrate and apply the principles of the Ten Commandments. I don't see anything here that would contradict what Waggoner said. Do you?
A similar reply seems to me to apply to the next quote as well.(ibid)
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#349814 - 2010-04-04 18:19:37
Re: "war in heaven" - real or metaphorical?
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Pnatt, I believe Jesus offered the Jews an expanded version of the everlasting covenant at Sinai. I'm not sure if Elliot agrees with Ellen regarding the additional rites and rules. The quote you posted doesn't address it.
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#349816 - 2010-04-04 18:21:37
Re: "war in heaven" - real or metaphorical?
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Again, the additional rules Jesus gave the Jews at Sinai included capital punishment. I believe commanding capital punishment speaks to the issue of war in heaven.
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#349817 - 2010-04-04 18:23:31
Re: "war in heaven" - real or metaphorical?
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PS - I'll be on assignment until the end of the month. It is unlikely I'll be able to participate on this forum. God bless each and every one as you study the truth as it is in Jesus.
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