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#346198 - 2010-03-20 20:59:46 Re: So why is it? [Re: SivartM]
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Originally Posted By: SivartM

I don't believe either of those things. Towers don't magically collapse; that's absurd. They collapsed because the steel was weakened by the impact of a jet plane flying into it.


I do not believe the towers magically collapsed, and I am still of the opinion that it was not any American born citizen who conspired to attack and collapse the world trade center, not that there couldn't be someone guilty, born in America, as witness Timothy McVeigh and the Murrah Building in OK.
OTOH I have a theory that there was probably a contingency plan devised at the time when the (was it 104 floors?)were built, in which the possibility that the building could fall sideways under certain adverse circumstances, hopefully never to happen.

In light of that possibility, would it be wise to gain some control as soon as possible of an otherwise out of control circumstance, to cause the building to fall in its' own footprint rather than some other ongoing disastrous developing circumstance that could have gone on for an unknown long period of time with all of its' attendant unknown perilous smaller events.

Was not even the atomic bombs dropped by American planes on enemy territory, dropped with the knowledge that millions of lives would be saved as a result of the seemingly heartless deed done to a few hundred thousand in order to bring to an end the horrendous slaughter being perpetrated day by day on both sides of the struggle, which was forecast to probably last for as long as another four years?

In my estimation, while not equating at all a likeness to the way God might operate, did not our Father in heaven put into affect what could be considered a "heartless deed", to cast a third of the angels out of the safety of the heavenly kingdom in order to save the remaining 2/3rds. All we as human beings can do is to conjecture how many lives might be saved by a preemptive strike, based on the best evidence available, while our Father, knowing the end from the beginning, hazarded His own Son's loss for eternity, that some, Who would have been lost for eternity, would have a chance to be saved.

"Oh, the depth of the riches and wisdom and knowledge of God! How unfathomable (inscrutable, unsearchable) are His judgments (His decisions)! And how untraceable (mysterious, undiscoverable) are His ways (His methods, His paths)!" Romans 11:33 AMP
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#346231 - 2010-03-20 21:48:30 Re: So why is it? [Re: Dr. Rich]
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Originally Posted By: Dr. Rich
They all tend to believe in Romans 13 and therefore can't believe the rulers of the world would ever lie to them about anything.


"Owe nothing to anyone—except for your obligation to love one another. If you love your neighbor, you will fulfill the requirements of God’s law. For the commandments say, “You must not commit adultery. You must not murder. You must not steal. You must not covet.”These—and other such commandments—are summed up in this one commandment: “Love your neighbor as yourself.” Love does no wrong to others, so love fulfills the requirements of God’s law.

This is all the more urgent, for you know how late it is; time is running out. Wake up, for our salvation is nearer now than when we first believed. The night is almost gone; the day of salvation will soon be here. So remove your dark deeds like dirty clothes, and put on the shining armor of right living. Because we belong to the day, we must live decent lives for all to see. Don’t participate in the darkness of wild parties and drunkenness, or in sexual promiscuity and immoral living, or in quarreling and jealousy. Instead, clothe yourself with the presence of the Lord Jesus Christ. And don’t let yourself think about ways to indulge your evil desires."
Romans 13:8-14 NLT

And the principle we use as our guide, I suppose, is to pick and choose the part of the Holy Scriptures that agrees with
our vast store of wisdom? stars
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#346244 - 2010-03-20 22:10:55 Re: So why is it? [Re: Dr. Rich]
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Originally Posted By: Dr. Rich
It is not a conspiracy theory when the truth is out in the open. Care to ask me how and why I was told about four months before 911 what was going to happen and warned about it from a contact I have with the "Continental International Airways"? The stupid people are the ones that refuse to use their own brains to figure things out for themselves. They all tend to believe in Romans 13 and therefore can't believe the rulers of the world would ever lie to them about anything.


As to the above underlined, it was perhaps 10 years earlier that common sense told at least one person, and I have to believe many more stored the idea in their brain, what a perfect guided missile a hijacked commercial jet could make. But then again that would probably have been an idea borrowed from the ones who dreamed up the idea to attack Pearl Harbor.

"That which has been is what will be, That which is done is what will be done, And there is nothing new under the sun." Ecclesiastes 1:9 NKJV
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#346298 - 2010-03-21 01:37:56 Re: So why is it? [Re: LifeHiscost]
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#346701 - 2010-03-22 09:51:56 Re: So why is it? [Re: Stan]
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Beginning to post a bit...

Registered: 2010-02-06
Posts: 9
Originally Posted By: Stan Jensen
So why is it perfectly normal intelligent people fall for the stupidest conspiracy theories?


They don't want to believe the truth for many reasons beit patriotism, or their comfort zone.

I guess it's because they believe what they want to hear on TV disguised as "news" and don't do credible research for themselves or from the pulpit as Truth, for sure.

No one wants to be mislead or admit they played the sucker. It's hard to say "I was wrong" and "you were right". Sometimes we just don't care because it doesn't affect us personally or if I know the real truth, that it will have an effect that will change my behavior and possibly lifestyle or what your friends might think of you now armed with this new found knowledge.


It's no different in the relm of... well, anything including religion, where the lie is disguised as truth, as the repetition tool is used over and over again which will deepen one's impression of their viewpoint, but just try telling the person deceived, they are most sure their viewpoint is clear and sound... until someone comes along and says, "brother, I've seen the light on the subject at hand, and I have to say this is not truth, this is what I found..." pointing to facts found outside mainstream media and/or in Scripture.

And to the OP, thank you for this thread.

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